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Climate change sceptics 'impressive': Fielding

08 Jun, 2009 11:18 AM
FAMILY First Senator Steve Fielding says he wants the science "cleared up" before he decides how to cast his key vote on the proposed ETS. He supports a delay in the Senate vote until after the climate summit in Copenhagen in December.

His fact-finding mission to the US has culminated in Senator Fielding giving senior White House staff graphs provided by climate change sceptics and asking why he should not believe them.

Senator Fielding emailed graphs that claim the globe had not warmed for a decade, to Joseph Aldy, US President Barack Obama's special assistant on energy and the environment, after a meeting on Thursday.

Speaking from Washington, Senator Fielding said that asking the White House to explain why it is convinced global warming is linked to greenhouse emissions is part of "picking up the fight for the underdog".

He earlier attended a climate sceptics' conference run by free-market think tank the Heartland Institute — part of a trip to "hear both sides".

Senator Fielding said he found that Dr Aldy and other Obama Administration officials were not interested in discussing the legitimacy of climate science.

The talks focused on the Democrats' Waxman-Markey climate bill, expected to go before Congress in August.

He said Dr Aldy had agreed to answer his email.

The trip comes as the Federal Government attempts to find some unlikely common ground with Senate crossbenchers in a bid to have its emissions trading legislation passed this year.

Senator Fielding said he wants the science "cleared up" before he decides how to vote. He supports a Coalition push to delay a vote until after an international climate summit in Copenhagen in December.

He said he was open-minded on climate science, but "there seemed to be merit" in claims that global warming had stopped and solar activity had a greater influence on temperature.

A majority of climate scientists say the long-term warming trend due to greenhouse emissions is clear: that six of the warmest years since industrialisation were between 1998 and 2006.

Senator Fielding earlier told the Sydney Morning Herald he was inclined to back the amendment being put forward by Opposition Leader Malcolm Turnbull, which aims to delay Australia's emissions trading scheme until after the UN meetings in Copenhagen in December.

Senator Fielding said, "We shouldn't rush into this before Copenhagen."

"It makes sense to wait. Obviously America has put forward its proposals but that could drastically change through the Senate process here and we need to take that into consideration," he said.

He said it would be "crazy" for each country to go it alone.

"The Rudd Government hasn't convinced me that we can't wait until after we see what the rest of the world does.

"If it's just so we can take some big leadership position to Copenhagen, I don't buy that. There has to be some other reason," he said.

Senator Fielding, whose vote is likely to be crucial in getting the scheme through the Senate said he was on a self-funded trip to Washington to hear both sides of the argument.

"If we get it wrong it is jobs that are at risk," he said. "Now, the thing [that's worse] than getting it wrong is making the right decision too late," he added.

Senator Fielding said he was impressed by some of the data presented at the climate change sceptics' conference: namely that, although carbon emissions had increased in the last 10 years, global temperature had not.

He said scientists at the conference had advanced other explanations, such as the relationship between solar activity and solar energy hitting the Earth to explain climate change.

Senator Fielding, who comes from Victoria, was also interested in hearing about the US debate over exempting coal-fired power stations or providing them with free permits in the early stages of the US scheme.

"Coal-fired power stations are important to Victorians and I am really concerned about the increase in energy and electricity prices for Australia - and that's an issue for Americans as well," he said.

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"A majority of climate scientists say the long term warming trend is from 1998 to 2006". The statement itself is rubbish. Since when is eight years long term?

Why can't our media see through all this twisting and turning. A few weeks ago our government debt was short term, and that is going to be 10 years.

Where is signing the Kyoto protocol going to leave family Australians if this "carbon is pollution" scam creates another tax for no reason at all?

Posted by John Michelmore, 8/06/2009 9:19:03 AM
Global warming is not man made and it is time the supposed thinkers in the world woke up to the con job that has been pulled on them. Check this link www.cato.org/special/climatechange and read Dr Plimer's book. His evidence is very scientific with plenty of proof of refereed science.

Put a stop to this carbon nonsense before we all go broke and even more farmers take their lives.

Stop wasting money on fairy tales and spend it on helping farmers produce a good wholesome product, give us roads and rail that are efficient so we can market that product and help us to remain the most efficient farmers in the world.

Posted by Concerned Northerner, 8/06/2009 2:44:47 PM
Man made global warming is a total fraud. Much like all the industry that has jumped on the bandwagon, such as carbon offsets, windfarms, animal fart taxes and the like.

No one has been able to prove the earth is warming or has done for the last 10 years. Sounds like a bunch of high school geeks with nothing better to do with their time to me!

Posted by mick, 8/06/2009 6:32:45 PM
A carbon emissions trading scheme (ie another tax) is certainly a confidence trick against consumers. Even if it is supposedly aimed at large companies it will flow through to the end consumer. Companies can pass it on but end consumers can't. I am in agreement with all the comments above.
Posted by DAW, 8/06/2009 8:12:23 PM
Congratulations, Senator Fielding. You are the first politician to have the guts to publicly cast doubt on the concept of "human induced climate change". There are many reputable scientists who have serious doubts about the current popular beliefs on climate change. Every politician should read Prof Ian Plimer's book, "Heaven + Earth Global Warming: the Missing Science".
Posted by Bob, 9/06/2009 6:14:46 AM
"read Dr Plimer's book. His evidence is very scientific with plenty of proof of refereed science." "very scientifc" yes, valid conclusion... apparently not. The most notable thing about Ian Pilmer's book appears to be the speed with which it was shot down in flames. Apparently had the book been submitted as a refereed paper it would have been quickly dispatched to obscurity. There are enormous opportunities to be had in agriculture and industry for both domestic production and export from the development and application of emerging technologies. So Fielding found a dissenting voice in the ocean of climate scientists, yet again Australia is hobbled by a do nothing stance from the fringe minority. There are a heck of a lot of great ideas floating about Australia which can't get up and going because of a lack of a carbon price. These ideas are what could employ future generations of Australians, in both farming and industrial areas.

Currently all we are doing is protecting a bunch of very short term jobs in 18th century industries such as coal mining at enormous expense to future generations. At the same time other smarter countries are building huge patent portfolios and export industries in 21st century industries such as solar photovoltaics and wind (China might buy our coal this week but it is also the world's leading producer of alternative energy products with a strongly developing R&D base). The lack of local industry applications means we don't have a manufacturing base, this means we don't have a way of funding a research base, this in turn means we don't have a reasonable education base. Could this be the reason why Australia's education system is one of the lowest performing in the OECD, below a number of third world countries?

The substantial shrinkage in Australian exhibitors at major trade shows, offset by the increase in Chinese trade delegations tells quite a story about the state of manufacturing in Australia. As does a major regional University trying to run an Engineering curriculum with only one qualified engineer on staff. Better hope the magic fairy turns up soon or else the future for your kids is looking pretty bleak. Is there anything in the future of our kids likely to change when the best we can hope for is a Government and opposition pandering to fossil fuels suppliers and trade unions and the farming sector with it's head stuck in the sand wishing it would all go away?

The particular irony with regard to agriculture is that there is such enormous potential for farmers to play a leading role in the replacement of fossil fuels based energy and products with green replacements. By extension this also means develop profitable and stable farming ventures across a wide range of Australian farming conditions. For years I have watched projects in bio-energy and bio-plastics fail to get a start due to the unrealistically low price of the fossil fuel based feed stocks. These projects have had the capacity to create large areas of rural transformation and renewal by creating the need for increased employment in decentralised areas of industry and farming. I sat through meetings watching rooms of aging farmers listening to researchers trying to raise interest in various new projects. Sadly the sons had gone to the mines, the fathers were too old and inflexible in their thinking and the projects withered; in Australia at least. So if the previous correspondent would like to blame the global warming bandwagon for increasing rural suicide rates I would like to suggest an alternative and that is when the biggest opportunity to make a buck in the history of mankind came along (an ethically acceptable one at that!) most Australians couldn't see it and were too busy trying desperately to cling to the sinking ship of "Business as usual". That would make me pretty depressed too. Doesn't give your grand kids too much to proud of... Wait and see how well Australian agriculture goes when the US, China and EU reach agreement on substantive carbon targets, seize the moral high ground and start placing tariffs on goods from carbon pariah countries such as us.

Posted by Greg Y, 9/06/2009 7:15:37 AM
Be careful Steve, Ms Wong will have you burnt at the stake. Thank god there is someone in the government that is prepared to question the so-called science behind climate change that is being pushed by economists like Garnaut and Stern and a has been vice president, Al Gore.
Posted by jerangle, 9/06/2009 8:30:29 AM
The comments so far demonstrate limited thought and limited understanding of the climate change debate. The strong language and views expressed reveal more of their bloggers' inadequate thinking on the subject. For example: I am aware of 4 reviews of Prof Plimer's book. There is great praise for the massive amount of work addressed and praise too for his BEBUNKING OF CREATIONISM. But his book has many flaws in its interpretation of the works quoted. There is utterly no question that human kind has and does influence the environment detrimentally, many of which are being addressed, eg polluted rivers now cleaned up, soot covered cities now cleaned up, many industrial health threats cleaned up. The claim by the science community and the sceptics is that there is a rise in temperature concurrent with the industrial revolution. But the two sides differ in that the current orthodoxy has evidence that of all the known causes the most prejudicial and correctable is excess carbon.
Posted by Frank Ekin, 9/06/2009 8:54:54 AM
Australian agriculture should be booming and a world leader but as highlighted by the many comments above, except Greg Y, it is full of luddites. As a young professional for the past 10 years I have been waiting patiently for Australian ag to take off but it has failed time and time again because the leadership has no vision, is not willing to change and cannot look at things globally. I have a passion for ag and its potential but like many of my peers am now looking for an out because we are tied of fighting those opposed to everything. How many more studies and scientific analysis is required for you to realise the way we are functioning is unsustainable. Even if climate change is proven wrong our progress, greed and lack of consideration will still bring us down. This is the first step in changing our culture and habit. Australians consume more energy, water and resources per capita than any other country. We should provide leadership. Go to India and Pakistan and see the slums, the population explosion. Tell those people they must act with us and spend what little money they have. The pollution of China, the plastic tide in South America. I bet Bob, the concerned Northerner, John have never ventured outside developed countries. Our impact on the planet is real, the real question is what, when and how bad will the tipping point be when we final act???? Maybe in another 10 years Australian ag will emerge but until then, if I had my time again to chose an industry and career I wouldn't bother with ag until the luddites are gone.
Posted by Ag luddites, 9/06/2009 9:11:40 AM
"Thank god there is someone in the government that is prepared to question the so-called science behind climate change that is being pushed by economists like Garnaut and Stern and a has been vice president, Al Gore." And all of the climatologists on the planet... Don't let the science get in the way of a good ad hominem attack ;-) To get a glimpse of what the researchers are actually saying about the subject try spending a while reading at http://www.realclimate.org. Particularly with regard to Ian Pilmer's book. To get an idea of where someone like China is heading have a look at http://climateprogress.org/2009/06/08/china-begins-its-trans ition-to-a-clean-energy-economy/

You may choose to disagree with the views at both sites but at least you may do so with a bit more perspective than blindly parroting the facts espoused by people who are commonly funded by fossil fuel interests. Regardless of your views the difficulty for all of us on the sidelines is that we have to take so much on trust as we have so much difficulty in deciphering scientific views, particularly when there is so much in the way of 'paid' dissenting views which gain traction.

Science aside, it seems difficult to believe that the entire climate science community, consisting of various groups, academic and industrial, varying religions, competing nations, have all managed to agree on throwing out any ethical considerations, lifetimes of career respect, and are participating in a grand conspiracy to further their research funding by inventing climate change. Yeah right, that would be easy to keep under wraps...

Posted by Greg Y, 9/06/2009 9:24:31 AM
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