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Storm brews over glacier blunder

25 Jan, 2010 06:47 AM
A MISTAKE about the timing of melting glaciers has snowballed into an unprecedented assault on the credibility of climate science, after revelations that an author of the United Nations Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change's report knew that one passage was wrong but included it anyway.

Pressure is now mounting on the head of the IPCC, Rajendra Pachauri, with further elements of the IPCC's report being brought into question and the separate announcement of a government inquiry into climate data in Britain.

As well as the glacier mistake, the IPCC said at the weekend that it would re-examine a passage about the relationship between climate change and extreme weather events such as hurricanes in its 2007 report.

Scientists who uncovered the error about the timing of melting glaciers in the Himalayas told the Herald that the conclusions of the report are right, and that fixing such errors are a routine part of the scientific process.

An Australian lead author of the report, Professor Andy Pitman, also said the mistake did not affect the veracity of the UN body's conclusions. He said that scientists were being subjected to ''an orchestrated campaign that's exactly the same as that was used by the smoking lobby to try and discredit science''.

The author of the offending passage in the IPCC's working group report, Dr Murari Lal, has conceded that the claim that Himalayan glaciers could melt by 2035 is not supported by peer-reviewed science, but said he included it anyway.

''It related to several countries in this region and their water sources,'' he was quoted as saying in Britain's Daily Mail newspaper. ''We thought that if we can highlight it, it will impact policymakers and politicians and encourage them to take some concrete action. It had importance for the region, so we thought we should put it in.''

Dr Lal's passage ignored the IPCC's guidelines on using peer-reviewed science as a basis for its assertions, and the UN body conceded last week that it should have been edited out of its working group report.

However, the inaccurate passage was not included in the ''summary for policymakers'' section of the report which forms the basis of government responses to climate change.

As the Herald revealed on Saturday, the flaw was highlighted during the review process in August 2006 and had been shown to be wrong several times before and since the report's publication.

One of the expert reviewers who picked up the error, Dr Hayley Fowler of Newcastle University in Britain, said her own research had suggested the claim was wrong.

Dr Fowler, a hydroclimatologist, pointed out that while winters in the western Himalayas were warmer, summers had been cooler in recent years, meaning that some glaciers in the west have been growing, not receding like others around the world.

Dr Fowler said the scale of the task of putting the report together meant that no one editor could be an expert on every aspect of each chapter. ''Given the size of literature that needs to be read to put the IPCC report together though, I am sure that occasional errors may occur,'' she told the Herald. ''The good thing is that it has been spotted and will now be put right. It does not mean that all the other conclusions of the IPCC report are wrong.''

A British parliamentary committee will examine the theft of data and emails from the University of East Anglia last year and examine the implications for scientific research.

Professor Pitman joined other scientists from within and outside the IPCC to say that the errors in the 2007 report should be seen in context.

''There are 1600 pages in the working group reports and after two years there are two paragraphs which have been found to have errors in them. By any standard these are remarkably accurate documents, but I don't believe anyone ever said they were perfect. The point of research is that we pick up errors like this.''

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What a surprise, another stuff up from this lot. After the dodgy emails, jokenhagen and now this, it looks like the climate fraud is really on its last legs. There is such a massive difference in peoples opinion now than 1 year ago, everybody wants to speak out, only a year go you would get shot down by psuedo greenies, today they are no where to be heard.
Posted by mick, 25/01/2010 7:35:35 AM
There is nothing wrong with managing the planet better. What is wrong is motive and focus. When you put the creation ahead of the creator your best intentions will NEVER hit the target because greed and lust for control get in the way. The greatest challenge facing mankind is extinction by man's own hands. We need the makers instructions BUT progressives reject Gods word as irrevelent in their lust for power. So with wrong focus we miss the target.
Posted by Richie 10, 25/01/2010 8:15:14 AM
There are three options, Mick. Option one is that you are right. All the thousands of published research papers, all the editors of scientific journals, all the climate researchers, all the institutions (NASA, CSIRO, AIMS, Scripps, Pew, the universities) are all collectively and fraudulently claiming that human behaviour can affect the climate. Why? To ensure academic funding? To impose a socialist world government, as Lord Munchkin apparently believes? Option two is that you are wrong, but haven't checked the science, so you really believe that option one is the truth, however absurd. Option three is that you are consciously helping spread disinformation, for political or economic reasons. The glacier story is another trivial media beat-up, demonstrating nothing more than the fact that the review process isn't perfect. Happy Australia Day.
Posted by nico, 25/01/2010 11:31:13 AM
Yes, I find it hard to believe that thousands of scientists are conspiring to somehow dupe us into believing what is quite obvious anyway. Co2 in moderation I say. After all, any diver can tell you that oxygen at too much pressure can kill you.
Posted by wining Pom, 25/01/2010 4:58:25 PM
This is not the first time that the IPCC has knowingly included fictitious material in a report. They kicked off with USA scientist Michael Mann's infamous hockey stick graph which was used to "prove" that recent global warming was linked to carbon emissions. After that had been exposed the IPCC did not so much as utter an apology, but just quietly dropped it out of the next report. You might ask whether Mann got the sack for his deliberate misrepresentation. No he is still there - a leading light in international climate research. And they expect ordinary, inteligent people to believe this crap!!!
Posted by Bruce, 26/01/2010 7:23:23 AM
Nico, thousands of scientists probably aren't conspiring to dupe us, however they are, unfortunately, basing their papers on original data produced by a small clique of about 40 scientists who are intent on 'proving' AGW despite any evidence to the contrary. Google Climategate. Learn how and why this small clique of scientists altered and supressed data, subverted the peer review process and threatened those who opposed them. The science isn't settled at all and now it's all coming out into the open. Unfortunately for these arrogant scientists, us plebs aren't quite as dumb as they think and we've busted their scam. As the old saying goes, you can fool all of the people some of the time........
Posted by Arden, 26/01/2010 7:32:15 AM
@Arden. You've got it wrong, son. There are thousands of climate scientists all over the world researching climate patterns and data, not the 40 you claim. Many of them are in Australia and doing highly technical ORIGINAL research. Note that word, because it means they didn't just review the results of 40 other scientists and write a paper. If you are going to criticise, you should learn how the system works first. Otherwise you look like a dumb pleb.
Posted by chris, 26/01/2010 9:25:48 AM
Chris, nico & pom, there was no peer review of this glacial bollocks. It supported the prevailing narrative so it went right to the top of the list without a scrap of consultation with the relevant experts. It has also just been revealed the Pachauri's own consulting company has received multi-million $ grants based on the same gross misrepresentation of fact. And for a person like Pitman to suggest that the difference between 35 years and 350 years "did not affect the veracity of the UN bodies conclusions", is a disgrace. If Pitman was a glaciologist's armpit he would know that most Himalayan glaciers exhibit a rise of about 1000 metres over their distance. And that means the temperature at the top is 10 degrees C colder than at the bottom. So the planet would need to warm by a full 10C for the glaciers to disappear. So I challenge Pitman and all the other IPCC apologists to tell us which body of peer reviewed science, or which climate models, have predicted we would produce global CO2 levels capable of increasing mean planetary temperature by 10C, IN JUST 25 YEARS?
Posted by Ian Mott, 26/01/2010 12:07:16 PM
It is funny how the true believers have gone soooooooo quiet since the Jokenhagen talk fest and cold northern hemisphere winter. We have been fed enough rubbish by those wishing to line their pockets or keeping jobs going, so lets get on with life. The true believers can continue to wander around in circles thinking that they are Henny Penny.
Posted by jerangle, 26/01/2010 3:26:15 PM
Once again, and characteristically, Mott pours abuse on something he clearly doesn’t understand. The glacial story was indeed peer reviewed, there was indeed an error, and the system allowed the error to slip through. It happens. Then – the same system – the error was picked up, by a number of researchers, and corrected. That happens too. That’s why there is an open system, with published papers, so that theories can be tested and errors detected. Bruce, if you are “an ordinary intelligent person” please check the facts. The so-called hockey stick (another beat-up) was a very small part of a very large body of research. It was not dropped or discredited, but simply by-passed as research moved on. Please check the facts before making statements which are simply insulting. And Arden – which planet are you from? There are thousands of researchers around the world, trying to improve our knowledge of climate. Check the science for yourself. You might end up proud of our Australian researchers and their world-leading work in the Southern Ocean.
Posted by nico, 26/01/2010 6:31:25 PM
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